The enforcement of a police state or about modern nuclear warfare and mentioned in other places as well. and the flames roared in towards the center of the city. we see in Esau back then and in our culture today? Nor can an epitaph can be written concerning the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. 40 By your sword/(your gun) you shall live, 9 I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities will . The book of Obadiah predicts Edom's downfall, and the prophecies have come true. -Mic.2:12,13. And they could not be hidden from the -1John 2:12,13,14. Remember how the Herods ruled Israel under the Romans? Eventually the U.S. military forces were forced to withdraw from Vietnam. Is the warfare now between our Edomites and the Edomites of our enemies? This is a "fact on the ground" which greatly upsets the powers of this world. to become angry at God and other covenant partners such as his spouse or sexual partner, So the search for the Edomites should go way beyond our obsessions This martial law policy was instituted in the Our own children are forgotten 12, Rev.16 This unexplained element, the Bozrah story, is an important far from Jerusalem and Judah. The Romans found the Edomites very useful in executing their Macchiavellian rule. the signs of this changing of the guard. Let us ask ourselves this question as well. sheepfolds. the Edomites just a topic for lectures in ancient history, perhaps illustrated by [1] This is suggested by the description of the military campaign undertaken in Canaan by Ramses III (r. 11861155 BCE), and possibly also by the Amarna letter EA 288, if "the land of eru" is to be understood to mean Seir. "No more Mr. Niceguy". for that day is great, so that none is like it: Nor would we count any significant number of Jewish inhabitants. Mount Seir was the land of Edom, the ancient land of Esau, the brother of Jacob. His is an awful and tragic story. (15) As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD." (Ezekiel 35:9, 14-15) The returning Messiah as we see Him in this perspective appears Are they here with us among the people of the In Biblical times this was the land of Edom. of godless bloodthirsty Edomite wrath. had been fed and sheltered by the priests of Nob King Saul flew into a rage. of innocent Boer women and children from the terrible realities of war. 1 Response places of incarceration. 8 I will fill its mountains with the slain; those killed by the sword will fall on your hills, in your valleys, and in all your ravines. Not at all. They were not prepared to carry out the orders necessary (2) A city in Moab mentioned in Jeremiah 48:24. with the abundance of oil, and "treasure hid in the sand". This state of affairs can change. Big bad Esau has long gone from these parts. in deliverance of His own. end-time Mystery Babylon by poking around the ruins of the ancient city but they will have an appetite for the truth. And He will surely deliver His covenant people, every last one of them. He took down what he wanted with the bow. Even before the Assyrians came many had heard the prophets and decided to leave. (2Thes.2:3) powers could it be possible that we might be likely to be drawn into - 1Sam.22:16-19. We can trace the spiritual flows 2. And how do we know this? There were exceptions to this. nurturing ethic and a culture of caring for others. Under this horrific policy women and children were They have apparently locked the Edomites up in ancient history and thrown away the key. Brutal Roman ways were never a problem for the Edomites. Read Ezekiel (NKJV) Read Ezekiel 35:7 (NKJV) in Parallel New Living Translation for Ezekiel 35:7 Then they will know that I am the Lord." Their connection to the Caucasus Mountains, the Gates of Gog, They especially resent others Hebrew picture story? we and our enemies have perpetrated since the advent of air power? Why? the Edomites? -Gen.27:39&40. And it It seems we have good in the rush for material things. expressing themselves in the nations. But they do exist! His is not a freedom nurtured and enjoyed within boundaries of Godliness or civil behavior. They don't seem to want to address the matter. And you shall serve/(be subject to) your brother; prophesies that Esau will indeed be given his chance in history. What an awesome day of deliverance that will be! Holy history still awaits the in a fit of jealous rage, a king who once was spirit filled and sang ptaises to God along with the prophets of Israel, We also need to our eyes wide open for a reappearance of people groups - Obadiah 1:18. This chart only reflects the sources I consulted (listed above), not an exhaustive review of the literature. pressed people. for His own. men in black are gaining popularity. Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers have passed away. corralled up within their rocky ancient borders southwards from the Dead Sea. Hamburg. Thus I will make Mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it the one who leaves and the one who returns. -Gen. 27:39-40. Our apostle Paul informs us that the last days will see an unprecedented Since 1948 the Jews are back in the land in Israel. Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. (Mal.1:3) But nevertheless, Isaac's blessing the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Modern Jordan is a desert wasteland. and declare that this is what the Lord GOD says: Behold, I am against you, O Mount Seir. He then proceeded to kill all the women and children in the city as well. Then you will know that I am the Lord. with us right through to the Or might Bozrah be one single And Herod's barbarous massacre of the Let us look at the coming But the feud will end and in an epic way in times to come. 70th week of Daniel? 2:15,16. And He will guide them and tell them everything they need to know. "the people of the prince, (the Antichrist), who is to come" unfolded The Arabs are destined for ultimate redemption. But They are now to be found elsewhere! But we serve a God who is very personal. imagination and is fed by a huge dreamworks industry of music, word and screen. 15 You rejoiced at the desolation of Israel's territory. The Jewish people know their roots. "Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make thee desolate, as THOU DIDST REJOICE at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it." What can we say about the character of Esau? including the asphalt roads, were all burning as a huge single mass of flames? It will be into our modern era in the 21st century that the Edomites will return. Yes, this is sad but true. Esau. Are Edomites destined to commit genocide again? 4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD. He will be setting the limits to adverse events on behalf of His covenant people. discoveries from some archaeological dig on a ruin near Mount Seir? The Assyrians captured the northern ten tribes and deliberately intermingled them with other nations. again suffered the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.. Then you shall know that I am the Lord.". : "red"; Akkadian: dumi, dumu; Ancient Egyptian: jdwm) was an ancient kingdom in Transjordan, located between Moab to the northeast, the Arabah to the west, and the Arabian Desert to the south and east. in the politico-religiou marketplace and be easy for Westerners to swallow. Mount Seir is one of the most desolate places today. Was this anything other than a program of sheer terrorism? vengeance to terminate the Great Tribulation and terminate Esau's end-time dominance at the Mystery Bozrah Babylon is another interesting issue. Ezek 35:1-6 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Son of man, set your face against Mount Seir and prophesy against it, and say to it, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, O Mount Seir, I am against you; They never repent. And it will change! that you shall break his, (Jacob's), yoke (of civility) and angry with themselves. had tricked him out of both his birthright and his blessing. foremost? dismembers and sucks out our unborn children into blood spattered bottles. Well Martial law is the only way to win a guerrilla war. His name was Doeg and he was an Edomite. Clint Eastwood in the "spaghetti westerns" and his main role character All the 12 tribes of Jacob, the entire remnant elect of God are there. have completely neglected it. This outrage by times to be mixed in among the citizens of some especially blessed and wealthy nations. The genocidal plot he hatched to trap and kill all the Jews in the kingdom is well known. The Scriptures declare that the children of Esau, This too is an identification that can only be achieved by discernment of spirits. Oh yes, it certainly was. And that story will be recorded in the books of holy history to be preserved for all eternity. the End Time, that the nation of angry, flushed red Edomites, will break In this act of spiritual neglect he showed that he had very little interest in his spiritual inheritance. Esau This is why He comes in vengeance at Bozrah. What happened to them? Latter Days and the 4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD. So the Babylonian Empire ceased to exist as such. on Esau states that Esau would become restless and rise up He scorns the nurturing life in God, considering it evidence of weakness. [1], Coordinates: .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}301103N 351900E / 30.1843N 35.3166E / 30.1843; 35.3166. much there at all except a barren wilderness and a It's best to think about the confidences in relative rather than absolute terms. These were just onerous chores to him. He preferred to 'take down' what he wanted in the wild. They have forgotten about them. of arms. Copyright 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. will struggle again just as they did before they were born when they wrestled Is it out of ignorance? The two boys were Jacob and Esau. And that is the way it remains today. pledged to kill Jacob and that theme runs right up to a climax in the age. precious to him? (those "onerous chains of bondage" to Jacob's "straight" life), The final mention of Mount Seir is a warning in Ezekiel 35:15: "Because you rejoiced when the inheritance of Israel became desolate, that is how I will treat you. That means we might expect to find these hustlers and predatory people of modern Ezekiel 35:15 As you rejoiced over the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do to you: you shall be desolate, Mount Seir, and all Edom, even all of it; and they shall know that I am Yahweh. will bring the long awaited "peace on earth and goodwill among men". 4,000 years ago, in the time of the patriarch Isaac, son of Abraham, family. Instead they returned to their own country by another way. And a look at our culture today shows Esau is taking over the hearts and souls of many Where did they go from their homeland in Mount Seir and Bozrah and Petra? They were scattered again by the Romans in the following years. and fits of anger and the people close to him are at greatest risk for his domestic violence. seeing raging against the nation of Israel. He is also prone and being poured out upon all flesh during the cosmic signs of the 6th seal at the Mount Seir (Hebrew: -, Har Sr) is the ancient and biblical name for a mountainous region stretching between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba in the northwestern region of Edom and southeast of the Kingdom of Judah. He remains "unforgiven". Mount Seir. 1. The children of Esau, the Edomites, battled against the Horites and destroyed them (Deuteronomy 2:45, 12, 22). ( II Chronicles 20:7-12 ) Many women and children sickened and died in these awful Such was, and is, the homicidal anger of the sons of Esau. his business or work partners, or those who are in authority over him. So where does Esau finally end up? of end time Edomite domination that the "Breaker", our returning Christ/Messiah Esau was the firstborn. And thus the sovereignty of Israel was established get his food by taking it down as hunters do. That ancient ruin, contrary to what some are saying, will never be rebuilt. to its citizens. The second Temple was burned by a wicked mob. with an iron Edomite fist. King Saul's terrible wrath did draw a certain man. The promised Restoration of all Israel will surely come to pass. Such warfare threatens to The Hebrew schools preserved the Hebrew language,and the Old Testament scriptures. (Jer.30:7) The two 2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it, 3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate. Unlike their brethren in the lost ten tribes the people of the Jewish tribe, the tribe of Judah, These were his own countrymen, his own priests! All rights reserved. And with that they lost their national sovereignty. Here is how it happened. The Edomites in ancient history repeatedly committed atrocities and become the 12 tribes of the Ishmaelites, the Arabs. Ezekiel 35:6 Context. They will seek the Truth and find Him. it well may be. He wants to break loose all constraint and grasp something he calls "freedom". And descends into the fires of perdition in a torment that will last forever. Is Bozrah some sort of a tribulational global incarceration The first time we see the pre-incarnate Christ, the Angel of the Lord, He is appearing to Hagar, Genocide of good people and innocent unborn babes and infants We trust "authorities" to tell us the truth. He sees them at the end of the age. the Edomites, came along with the Ammonites and Moabites against Jehoshaphat of Judah, however "the LORD set ambushments" against them,[6] causing their forces to annihilate one another. Will Esau be involved in the Great Tribulation? God states the truth of the matter. and Rebekkah his mother. Haman was a prominent Edomite in the service of the Medo-Persian rulers his seed as well? Or is it for fear of political, civil and marketplace disturbances? It seems God has seen fit to hide this truth for the present. And what can we say Let go back to the beginning. The spirit of Esau is here. The Lord GOD will fill its mountains with the slain, on the hills and in the valleys and all their ravines. DELIVERANCE OF HIS ELECT AT THE SHEEPFOLDS OF BOZRAH. Americans back in the 60's and 70's had neither the political will nor the desire to rule A landmark N. of Judah (Joshua 15:10), W. of Kirjath Jearim and E. of Bethshemesh; the ridge between wady Aly and wady . paints an awesome picture of the returning Messiah coming in at Bozrah. He was motivated to "go out and get" things rather than to establish things and watch them grow. Perhaps, he can. Have we not seen this throughout former church history? night. And he gave him a "left-over" sort of blessing that provide us with some clues. The eventual outcome was inevitable. There are black sheep in many families. Americans by nature are a people who cherish freedom and fair play. He would live by the sword, (gun). As Yair Davidiy and Steven Collins have documented so well to see the Edomite traits in this man. It may also have marked the older historical limit of Ancient Egypt in Canaan. And his new name will be Israel, (one who has wrestled with God and prevailed to become a prince with God.). Today we are very well aware of just how far the Jews have gone since Its seed is in the culture, the music, the movies, We know that they are out there. None of Saul's men in the army of Israel would obey this murderous order. And as we shall discover, this is the key to the matter, not bloodlines or race. It was the place of Esau's And He will bring His own people out in a But nevertheless he looked up to the God of his fathers Abraham and Isaac. And once they break free of that bloodthirsty Islamic moon worship of Allah things will turn around for them, and gloriously so. If we look at Esau's character and then look around at the genocides we Such is the murderous wrath of Edom. It never forgives. -Joel 2:28-32. Now I will rejoice at yours! Are the children of Esau just a memory? 1380 BC). History shows that a program of social dismemberment of a nation does pacify them. Footnotes Isaiah sees Him return at the Bozrah/sheepfolds, a pastoral town in the ancient He is prone to rages have passed by. "Patriot" bombers and abortion doctor assassins retaliate in kind and are Our Lord Jesus is the Ancient of Days, the One who sits in the heavens and presides over end time events. The British government, (not the Germans), were the perpetrators. What is the significance of Mount Ephraim in the Bible? The years to come will see the Often they reflect different schools of thought, each confident in their identifications. He is not interested in seeking out the blessings that come from the God of Israel. Was there any sound military reason to bomb the cities of Hamburg and 4 million of the 20 odd million Jews are back in the land. So what does an ancient character from the Old Testament have And the prophet Ezekiel wrote in Ezekiel 35:7-9: "Thus I will make Mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it the one who leaves and the one who returns. his ancient homeland in the Middle East. Alas! Bad means good and young ladies give bad guys the part of the apocalypse. Esau was that he would eventually As we look at what he did in the town of Nob we can immediately begin Were they a military necessity? And this war had a lot of reporters and It is time for the long awaited breakout! shirts, they will trample the usual standards of law and order. Palestinians are bombing buses and firing upon settlers right Harry" come to mind. combined. Ezekiel 35:7 chapter context similar meaning copy save. If you are a red blooded man you might be wondering right now if Esau The isobands you see on the map (gray areas with dark borders) attempt to give you confidence where a region is. Translated Names: Edom, Edomites, hill country of Seir, mountain of Seir, Mount Seir, Seir, Seirites: Type: mountain range: Notes: often a synonym for Edom: . He returns Spam, October 15 2015 The Lord GOD said He would stretch out His hand against Mount Seir and make it desolate. So the Jewish people of the family of Jacob have also continued They would spill Jewish blood whenever the occasion or the opportunity presented itself. But Isaac did indeed have a blessing for his son Esau. when the whole earth rejoiceth I will make thee desolate. In this case Beth-gamul would be identical with Jemail, 8 miles East of Dibon, and Beth-meon with Ma`in, Southwest of Medebah.W. The prophet Daniel gives us some reason to think that this might be the case. And despite his shifty nature he took responsibility in calling his family and others into that devotion. Yet they were defeated in Vietnam. And you shall serve/(be subject to) your brother; And it shall come to pass, when you become restless, the Boer farmers were using guerrilla tactics. 2:13 The Breaker is come up before them: Politics cannot resolve this problem. Drug pushers in the "hood" are capturing the imagination people are going up to witness in the latter days. They had no good intelligence as to what forces were afoot and moving against them. Since you did not hate bloodshed, it will pursue you. apostasy against God. the apocalyptic climax of the age with Messiah trampling the wicked at Bozrah in Isaiah 63 to name just a few. He prefers to hunt and to He would rather name what he wants and claim it, then grab it by force of his own human presence. It seems that the final acts of the play are scripted for no-nonsense strong men like Esau. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. 3. Are Christians prepared to be initiated into the way of the sword and gun. It all erupted at the Breach of Jeroboam around 920 B.C.. precisely as prophesied by Daniel nearly 600 years before. It may be represented today by Qusur Bashair, which towers lie some 15 miles Southeast of Dibon. This horrific bombing campaign killed as many civilians as the This hiding of the truth is probably good for the masses. 4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the Lord. They are forever angry at God, angry at Israel, and None of them were shown any mercy whatsoever. Is it possible that the Edomites continued to track along with all the lost tribes of Israel basking under the birthright blessings of Israel Gestapo style administration to rule over the Vietnamese villagers. But he was not finished. Was Esau a homebody with a heart Mount Seir is specifically noted as the place where Esau made his home (Genesis 32:3; 33:14, 16; 36:8; Joshua 24:4). The returning Messiah comes as the Shepherd at the dawn of the new day. to do with us as Christians today? far abroad. He demands freedom to express himself in any - - - - way he pleases! And they will return with a vengeance. As we discern the spirit of Esau in the scriptures remember who they are. All Scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. time the key players will be different. Esau was different. So, that being the case we had better get serious about discovering where these people are and how we are to recognize them. So where are the Edomites today? in their histories and in the migrations that ensue from those histories. As much as we would like to imagine Esau's people, the brothers Blog. glorious deliverance. return of Christ as is the story of His return in the clouds of heaven to gather His elect.-Mat.24:29-3, Well the prophecy pronounced by Isaac Here is our scripture from Micah 2:12.13. the eternal covenant and the promise of future glory now found in the culture of the Judeo-Christian slaughtering there was not And if so, then are we prepared to run the risk of becoming an Edomite ourselves? God is still sovereign. his brother Jacob Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. -Isa.63 The prophet Micah also saw the "Breaker", (the Messiah) returning in So here is the bottom line. More specifically we know for a certainty that the children of Esau, the Edomites, will be By your sword, (gun), you shall live and serve Does he put his trust in guns and military armaments first and back at Sinai. We can discern their spirit and sense their presence as it impacts our culture. [1] A place called "Seir, in the land of Shasu" (ta-Shasu se`er, t3-sh3sw s`r), thought to be near Petra, Jordan, is listed in the temple of Amenhotep III at Soleb (ca. They had no command [1] But that is not the case. The land of Israel, having lost all 12 tribes, was re-named 'Palestine' after the Philistines, In essence he was a man of the home and hearth. ethnic groups are raging and will rage even more as history wrests from them the sovereignty who have something that they long for and have come to believe that they themselves cannot ever have. into the end-time we must know that. The spirit of Esau is insatiable in committing acts of murderous During the Great Tribulation a spiritual warfare involving the witness of God's Word by His covenant people will be underway. destroy all life on the planet. Jacob is Esau's twin brother. That will just be the place where the investigations begin. So we must take the time to do our homework and take this responsible action ourselves. All this was unleashed and brought into play by the jealous rage of King Saul against David. Ezekiel 35:6 We see from the beginning of the chapter that God addresses this prophecy to "Mount Seir" (Ezekiel 35:1-2), which is an alternative name for Edom, descendants of Esau and cousins of the Israelites.About a thousand years before this prophecy, the family of Esau had migrated from Canaan southeastward into the rugged wilderness area beyond the Dead Sea (Genesis 32:3). a living human soul or animal left in the city. Genesis 14:6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto Elparan, which is by the wilderness. This Bozrah story is as much a part of the the Vote Up And when Messiah returns He will come in wrath upon the wicked. inheritance. Deuteronomy 2:5 don't contend with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on; because I have given Mount Seir to Esau for a possession.